About a Ubuntu Add-on CD

Where I live, there is only three choices for Internet: dial-up, cellular 3G, and satellite. There is no cable – no DSL – no BBoP – nothing that has any high-speed capabilities. Cellular (new in the area!) works but there is a 5Gb limit for the month – otherwise they will assume that you are performing tasks against your usage contract and reserve the right to cancel without notice (!).

There has been lots of talk about creating an Ubuntu Add-On CD, but nothing official and nothing lasting. There is an Add On CD Creation project as well as a (dated) Unofficial Ubuntu 5.10 Add On CD: neither of these projects seem to have continued. Over at Bounty Source, there is another project called the Ubuntu Plus AddOnCD; likewise, this has not kept pace. There used to be something at Ubuntu Guide but the link is no longer valid to that specific page, although the site seems active and current.

There’s also a DVD built by one or more Indonesian containing Ubuntu repositories; if I could read Indonesian, I could read the websiteand tell you more about it. There do appear to be multiple distributors across Indonesia.

There are two sources that seem to have kept pace, although neither supports Ubuntu Jaunty Jackalope or its descendents. One is an Italian who creates an add-on CD and posts it; it is the UbuntuPiù CD. Another is called the Ubuntu ADDONCD. Hopefully one or both of these sites will update with Jaunty Jackalope soon.

The main method of creating an Ubuntu add-on CD is to create an Ubuntu (Debian) repository then burn it onto CDROM. This is fine as far as it goes – however, the current Ubuntu repositories are 70+ gigabytes in size and mirroring the entire repository at this point is a big deal – especially when terabyte drives are not yet common.

The Debian APT Repository How To is an expansive document describing how to make your own repository. There is also an excellent article on creating an Ubuntu repository with apt-mirror.

Also, some projects assume that you have downloaded all of your added packages without ever having run “apt-get clean” – despite the fact that the apt-get man page recommends that you do so and says that any program that uses dselect will call apt-get clean as part of its normal processing. Using this download cache seems to be very short-sighted, but it is done by tools such as aptoncd which are otherwise very promising.

The apt-move How To, while otherwise quite useful, also makes this assumption. The assumption that “apt-get clean” will not be run is not a valid one!

Perhaps the only way to resolve the matter is to force a download of the desired packages – but currently there doesn’t seem to be any way to download a package and all dependencies not found in the Ubuntu install CDROM – in fact, there’s no way to download all dependencies at all. It should be possible to create a script to do it some how.

To download a specific package – but without its dependencies – is to do thus:

apt-get install --reinstall -dy package

This will put the package into the apt cache for use by other programs that seem to think the cache is never cleaned out.

To get a list of dependencies, you have to use apt-cache and massage the output to get a list:

apt-cache depends bzflag | sed -n '/^[^ ]/d; /]*>/d; s/^.*: //; s/^ *//; p;'

Once you have this list of dependencies you might be able to download the files with something like:

apt-get install --reinstall -dy $(cat resultsfile)

…if you’ve saved it to a file called resultsfile. One problem is that a dependency could be a virtual package – and since the program is working from a cache of repositories, it reports all packages that provide the virtual package, not those that are installed.

One more thing – if you are trying to build a repository and are building from the system’s APT cache – then you can only build a repository relating to the current environment. Thus, if running Ubuntu Hardy Heron, you can’t use the cache to create a repository for Ubuntu Jaunty Jackalope.

I can’t let this end without mentioning RPM. Debian’s biggest weakness is, in my opinion, dpkg: RPM when combined with APT-RPM is so much more powerful than the dpkg and APT environment. RPM is very clean and is even portable: administrators running RPM on Solaris and other machines is not entirely unusual: running dpkg on Solaris would be news-making. Too bad there isn’t a version of Ubuntu that uses RPM (is that a hint?).

6 thoughts on “About a Ubuntu Add-on CD”

  1. There may not be cable, DSL, or BBoP, but there may be a WISP in your area (they are all over NA, EU, Africa, and AU).

    You can get 1TB drives from newegg.com starting at 79.99 USD.

    You can Install yum in Ubuntu, but I do not know how useful it would be.

    1. Actually, I don’t like yum – even though yum is quite capable. I still don’t see how yum can do things like pinning and non-network sources and extensions (APT-RPM supports Lua extensions) and so forth.

      The problem isn’t just getting a 1Tb drive, but getting it in a form you can use (how much is a 1Tb USB2 drive for a laptop?) not to mention the problems of downloading 1Tb of data (or 30Gb).

      For example, anything over 5Gb/month on my cellular plan is against the rules: 30Gb thus translates into 6 months of data.

      WISPs seem to be only available in small rural communities – not where we are.

      1. External USB 2.0 drives are only about 10-15USD more. But yeah I understand that not being able to download makes it a non issue.

  2. Yet, that idea had at least four duplicates and up to 100 comments. In my opinion, there is significant demand, it’s just that there isn’t enough demand to get people to pay attention, no matter how good the idea.

    Assuming you don’t do an “apt-get clean” I’ve found that aptoncd works quite well.

  3. There’s full DVD’s created of Ubuntu for each release. So you can find it here for 9.10. It’s labelled as PC Live/Alternative DVD.

    You can also buy a DVD and support the project. Here’s the page for it on Ubuntu.

    The DVD contains all the software in the repositories so it’s the full deal!

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